How many TF1250s are on the road in the UK? (Part 3)

This is Part 3 of the exercise. Part 2 which listed chassis numbers 3252 to 4928 was featured in the December 2022 issue. This issue lists 4931 (4929 and 4930 are not known) up to and including 6908. Chassis numbers 6501 to 6650 inclusive are not listed, since these belong to TF1500 production and have previously been listed under the T1500 exercise; similarly, 6751 to 6850. TF1250 production ended at 6950, albeit the last one currently known about in the UK and listed is 6908.

VIN      Reg. no.          Status             Remarks

4931    BEF 514          Taxed              Home

4932    SB 9891          Taxed              Home

4933    405 BMG         Untaxed           Home

4934    PTF 179          Taxed

4961    LED 861          SORN              Home

4963    TTE 817          Taxed              Home

4976    DTS 482          Taxed              Home

4977    VPB 585          Taxed              Home

4979    DTS 482          Taxed             

4984    WVS 538         Taxed

4990    PGJ 70            Untaxed           Home

5017    PEL 345          SORN              Home

5019    CSV 797         N/k to DVLA    Home

5020    OTG 425         Taxed              Home

5025    OXW 610        Taxed

5058    8330 MG         Taxed

5068    MOT 73           N/k to DVLA    Home

5069    VPB 438          Taxed              Home

5070    SWB 961         Taxed              Home

5072    MOW 214        SORN              Home

5087    225 YUW        Taxed             

5090    KNV 431         Taxed              Home

5096    JFK 202          SORN              Home

5101    PLK 14            N/k to DVLA    Home

5104    WPA 963         Untaxed           Home

5107    XSL 618          N/k to DVLA

5118    ???

5119    MMY 247        N/k to DVLA    Home

5120    1923 MG         SORN              Home

5122    SCV 805         Untaxed           Home 

5139    ???

5141    VPA 800          Untaxed           Home

5146    TKE 308          N/k to DVLA    Home

5149    VPD 272         Taxed              Home

5150    RLX 62            Taxed              Home

5152    KVA 241          Taxed              Home

VIN      Reg. no.          Status             Remarks

5153    ???                                          Home

5196    GJD 99            Taxed              Home

5197    TKX 663          Taxed              Home

5198    OYE 444         SORN              Home

5200    BSL 684          Taxed             

5202    ???                  (was 9546 AP)  Home

5216    TYX 22            Taxed

5217    KFY 76            Taxed              Home

5218    TKE 146          Taxed              Home

5219    TLG 62            Taxed              Home

5220    KEA 719          N/k to DVLA    Home

5224    782 GLT          Taxed 

5234    WYL 61           Taxed              Home

5235    JRX 840          Taxed              Home

5236    FXD 1              Taxed              Home 

5237    MYS 107         N/T for road     Home

5238    MWO 111        SORN              Home

5239    RBP 575         Taxed              Home

5240    BSO 330         Taxed              Home

5242    MER 770         Taxed              Home

5253    RSK 442         Taxed              Home

5254    690 YAE          N/k to DVLA    Home

5255    POV 914         N/k to DVLA    Home

5257    MOT 165         Untaxed           Home

5261    MER 933         N/k to DVLA    Home

5270    RAL 30            Taxed              Home

5288    NWX 353        Taxed              Home

5290    ULG 338         SORN              Home

5292    79 CMP           SORN              Home

5295    ???

5297    ???                                          Home

5324    TRL 804          Taxed

5326    DER 813         N/k to DVLA    Home

5327    TAF 320          Taxed              Home

5328    562 BMM        N/k to DVLA    Home

5329    OYW 484        Taxed              Home

5331    297 CMD         Taxed              Home

5332    RKA 348         N/T for road     Home

5344    THU 333         Taxed              Home

5345    202 CMM        Taxed              Home

5347    231 APU         Taxed              Home

5348    TSU 274          Taxed

5349    PNA 496         Taxed

5350    ASH 987         Taxed              Home

5351    STE 952          Taxed              Home

5352    STE 951          Untaxed           Home

5354    TYW 138         Untaxed

5357    ???

5358    ???

5363    RKB 288         N/T for road

5364    PLJ 151           Taxed              Home

5365    661 EPW         Taxed              Home

5369    SKR 647         Taxed              Home

5371    GES 307         N/T for road

5392    576 BMP         Taxed              Home

5394    VPG 444         Taxed              Home

5396    861 BMY         Taxed              Home

5398    BJM 802          N/T for road     Home

5400    APB 532A       Taxed              Home

5401    MYS 466         SORN              Home

5409    623 YUE         Taxed

5428    TKK 444          Taxed              Home

5429    MOR 85          Taxed

5430    JAP 222          Untaxed           Home

5431    ???                  (was MHO 966) Home

5432    MJW 906         Untaxed           Home

5438    NCY 684         Taxed              Home

5450    ???

5468    955 CMV         Taxed              Home

5469    HHV 7             N/k to DVLA    Home

5470    585 UYL          Taxed

5472    TLG 550          N/T for road     Home

5473    JRX 500          Taxed              Home

5477    TSJ 124          Taxed

5490    SRL 386          N/k to DVLA    Home

5491    HBD 567         N/k to DVLA    Home

5496    ???

5503    CFA 510          Taxed              Home

5504    3031 TF          Taxed              Home

5508    MUS 550         Taxed              Home

5511    515 BML         Taxed              Home

5513    JVY 888          Taxed              Home

5515    371 UYS         N/k to DVLA

5535    AJF 708K        N/k to DVLA

5544    SRO 267         SORN              Home

5545    TSJ 121          Taxed              Home

5546    430 BMG         Taxed              Home

5549    PGF 385         N/k to DVLA    Home

5555    THT 164          Taxed              Home

5559    157 HYN         Taxed              Home

VIN      Reg. no.          Status             Remarks

5561    TF 40               Untaxed           Home

5562    KJB 181          Taxed              Home

5563    PGJ 260          N/T for road     Home

5564    USY 206         Untaxed           Home

5571    ???                  (was 325 CMD) Home

5575    CSV 284         Taxed              Home

5579    VWL 620         Untaxed           Home

5592    PYT 658          SORN              Home

5594    ???                  (was BS 6923)  Home

5597    HSJ 862          Taxed              Home

5598    BSO 504         N/k to DVLA    Home

5601    PNY 523         Taxed              Home

5603    NDA 43           N/T for road     Home

5605    RKA 648         Taxed              Home

5614    OXY 144         Untaxed

5615    612 XUM         Taxed              Home

5617    85 CMG           N/k to DVLA    Home

5621    ???                  (was TUA 5)     Home

5622    54 ELW           Untaxed

5647    LAM 394         Taxed              Home

5649    KKY 194          SORN              Home

5652    ORU 880         Taxed              Home

5653    931 EXY          SORN              Home

5656    NCR 642         Taxed              Home

5657    ESV 906          Taxed

5658    MRK 712         Taxed              Home

5659    636 AEV          Taxed              Home

5660    UTH 721         N/k to DVLA    Home

5668    ???

5681    KDN 248         Taxed              Home

5682    UVK 40           SORN              Home

5684    SNK 108         Taxed              Home

5685    PLB 797          Taxed              Home

5687    KBK 68            Taxed              Home

5690    LJF 51             Taxed              Home

5701    RKB 315         Taxed              Home

5703    ???                                          Home

5706    357 XUW        Taxed              Home

5710    GJD 343          N/k to DVLA    Home

5712    RPO 436         N/k to DVLA    Home

5714    THT 268          Taxed              Home

5716    ???                  (was MRK 224) Home

5717    PDT 400          Taxed              Home

5718    KVA 628          Taxed              Home

5721    UBB 711         N/k to DVLA

VIN      Reg. no.          Status             Remarks

5733    ???

5737    580 BMP         Taxed              Home 

5739    JKG 738          N/k to DVLA    Home

5742    PGF 471         N/k to DVLA    Home

5744    PGK 49           Taxed              Home

5753    ULR 535          SORN

5754    LRD 233          Taxed              Home

5760    PUP 155         Taxed              Home

5767    KWN 391        Taxed

5798    8890 EH          Taxed              Home

5800    651 CMF         N/k to DVLA    Home

5802    870 BMT         N/T for road     Home

5813    495 APU         Taxed              Home

5817    LAJ 100           Taxed              Home

5822    DSK 172         SORN

5844    KNV 905         N/k to DVLA    Home

5848    LJF 148           Taxed              Home

5851    CEU 929         N/k to DVLA    Home

5853    MWO 339        Taxed              Home

5866    ???

5872    RTA 717          Taxed              Home

5873    NWX 184        Untaxed           Home

5886    JFN 480          Taxed

5923    TTB 651          Taxed              Home

5924    HFE 411          Taxed              Home

5944    ESU 531         Taxed

5953    NDA 4             Taxed              Home

5956    BJS 241          Taxed              Home

5957    ???                  (was PLJ 75)     Home

5976    STE 959          Taxed              Home

5982    MG 4893         Taxed              Home

5983    PRT 339          Taxed              Home

5994    NGA 882         Taxed              Home

5996    TMB 420         Taxed              Home

5997    902 UYL          Taxed              Home

6001    CEN 841         Taxed              Home

6013    ???

6015    753 BMU         Taxed              Home

6017    TTC 515          Taxed              Home

6026    TUA 690          N/k to DVLA    Home

6027    PGY 349         SORN              Home

6028    SJH 794          Taxed              Home

6029    358 AEV          Taxed              Home

6030    ???                  (was MDK 8)     Home 

6031    PNB 580         Taxed              Home

VIN      Reg. no.          Status             Remarks

6034    846 UYX         Taxed              Home

6038    ORU 939         N/T for road     Home

6043    NAB 585         N/k to DVLA    Home

6061    480 YUG         Taxed             

6064    TWA 169         Taxed              Home

6065    OYP 926         Taxed              Home

6066    NWX 586        Untaxed           Home

6068    SNK 857         N/k to DVLA    Home

6072    OYY 924         Taxed              Home

6073    204 CMV         N/k to DVLA    Home

6078    OSU 815         Taxed

6086    TLK 707          Taxed              Home

6087    TLK 706          N/k to DVLA    Home

6088    428 BMG         Taxed              Home

6089    RZ 1234          N/k to DVLA    Home

6108    FRC 145         Taxed              Home

6111    VPD 680         Taxed              Home

6115    UCR 779         Untaxed           Home

6116    168 CMG        Taxed              Home

6134    PGT 615         Taxed              Home

6137    RPO 621         Taxed              Home

6139    ???                  (was 2336 MG) Home

6141    XLO 411          N/k to DVLA

6144    LWS 283         SORN              Home

6146    544 NOU         N/k to DVLA    Home

6148    YSK 919          Taxed              Home

6157    OSU 166         Taxed              Home

6161    TMA 287         Taxed              Home

6162    PLD 549          Taxed              Home

6169    PUU 844         SORN              Home

6184    YSU 115         Taxed

6189    VXW 49           N/k to DVLA

6196    NAB 888         N/k to DVLA    Home

6198    PGH 328         Taxed              Home 

6199    762 CMD         N/k to DVLA    Home

6214    OAD 847         Taxed              Home

6216    MRK 832         Taxed              Home

6217    JUH 579          Untaxed           Home

6218    RKD 14           Untaxed           Home

6219    ???                                          Home

6223    WPA 132         Taxed              Home

6225    TKL 399          N/k to DVLA    Home

6227    SYB 350          Taxed              Home

6228    791 CRF         Taxed              Home

6229    POF 868         SORN              Home

VIN      Reg. no.          Status             Remarks

6252    OXY 178         Untaxed

6253    OUW 778        SORN

6265    256 CMG        Taxed

6269    ???                                          Home

6280    819 YUC         Taxed             

6290    KAV 863          Taxed              Home

6292    212 UYX         Taxed              Home

6293    326 CMD         SORN              Home

6304    YVX 310          Taxed              Home

6305    PLD 808          Taxed              Home

6311    ???

6324    TAF 311          Untaxed           Home

6326    RKH 654         Taxed              Home

6337    OXE 118         SORN

6346    DSV 498         Taxed

6349    572 UYL          Taxed

6359    NWY 102        Taxed              Home

6361    MOT 385         SORN              Home

6362    ???                                          Home

6363    455 RKL          Taxed

6364    782 XUX         Taxed

6379    ???

6380    LFW 225         Taxed

6383    TAU 395          Taxed              Home

6387    KKY 19            Taxed              Home

6389    974 NOK         Taxed              Home

6398    PEL 433          Taxed              Home

6402    867 CMG        Taxed              Home

6403    PNB 14           Taxed              Home

6433    ???

6441    84 CMG           Taxed

6443    FSK 630          SORN

6452    TTD 705          Taxed              Home 

6453    PND 204         Taxed              Home

6454    BU 5113          N/k to DVLA

6468    TF 4011           Taxed              Home

6470    624 UXM         Taxed              Home

6483    614 YUB         Taxed

6487    PUE 24           Untaxed           Home

6490    NWX 818        Taxed              Home

6659    969 UYL          Untaxed

6718    TSL 459          Taxed

6877    551 UYP         Taxed

6908    472 YUN         SORN

Analysis of Results

The total number of chassis which have been listed in the October & December 2022 issues of TTT 2, and in this issue, is 719. The breakdown of this figure is as follows:

Registration number not known by us            76

Registration number not known to DVLA       98

TF1250s which are Taxed                              411

TF1250s which are Untaxed                          65

TF1250s Not Taxed for on road use              14

TF1250s on SORN                                         55

Of the total number identified as included in DVLA records (there could be more, but we do not currently know about them), the breakdown is as follows:

Total number (411 + 65 + 14)                        545

of which:

75% are Taxed (and on the road in the UK)  411

12% are Untaxed                                            65

3% are Not Taxed for on the road use           14

10% are on SORN                                          55

The totals for ‘Registration number not known by us’ (76) and ‘Registration number not known to DVLA’ (98) are not insignificant.

In the case of the former, some of this can be attributed to a chassis number having been advised to us with a follow up registration number promised, but in the event failing to materialise.

In the case of the latter, it is possible that some of these vehicles have been exported. However, a more plausible explanation is that several of these vehicles (which are likely to be ‘barn finds’) were never advised to DVLA when the licensing system was centralised in the 1960s/1970s. As the vehicles were not in any fit state for the road, there would not have been any imperative to get them on the central computer.

In this respect, cases are regularly still turning up for vehicles which were never advised.  Under the DVLA V765 Scheme they can be registered with their original registration number, as long as they are complete, roadworthy and have their original log book or Factory evidence linking the chassis number with the registration number. If they do not have this documentation, they can be registered with an age-related number.

The difficulty of keeping records up to date (which crucially depends on owners advising of changes) can be illustrated by the following losses of registration numbers, replacements of which don’t appear to have been advised:

Chassis number          Original registration number

0693                ASH 858 (now on a Land Rover)

3065                MAA 161 (now on a Lexus)

3396                GJT 710 (now on a Triumph m/bike)

5202                9546 AP (now on a VW)

5431                MHO 966 (now on an Aston Martin)

5594                BS 6923 (now on a Nissan)

5621                TUA 5 (now on a Mercedes-Benz)

5957                PLJ 75 (now on a Morgan)

6030                MDK 8 (now on a Mercedes-Benz)

6139                2336 MG (now on a modern M.G.)

Whilst we are about it, the following for TF1500s:

6787                NSU 542 (now on a BSA m/bike)

8299                1672 TF (on retention?)

8419                PAR 919 (now on a Peugeot)

8773                9732 TF (now on a Vauxhall)

8781                TUR 170 (now on a Porsche)

8938                987 UYL (now on a tractor!)

9124                220 F (now on a Bentley)

9282                PSU 146 (now on a Vauxhall)

9332                RNA 240 (now on an Alfa Romeo)

Errata

TF8772 recorded in Issue 72 (June 2021) as ‘Not known’ and ‘previously registered as TAL 723’ is TAL 323 and ‘Taxed’.

TF9024 recorded in the same issue as WSU 820 and ‘Not known to DVLA’ is 7155 MG and is on SORN.

Apologies for these errors!

I’d like to thank Barrie Jones of the MGCC T Register for his assistance in compiling both the lists of the TF1500s and the TF1250s. I’m currently thinking about doing a similar exercise for the TCs – I ask myself, “am I that brave?”